Discussion
S. C. Colbeck: It is encouraging to see that you understand the physics of the problem. Do you have any suggestions for practical solutions to the problem at this time?
S. F. Ackley: This is obviously a leading question by a well-known provocateur at these meetings. We are continuing with our investigations. We are particularly interested at this time in the shedding problem.
R. List: The applied heat-transfer equation is for slowly rotating cylinders with quasi-symmetric accretion and transfer. The situation for helicopter blades is quite different. Further, J. N. Carras and W. C. Macklin’s data on shedding are for situations without the high angular accelerations observed for blades. Higher angular accelerations will enhance shedding considerably. The distinction between wet and dry growth is quite academic because even at surface temperatures below 0°C parts of the surface will be liquid at any one time. I agree with the author that the heat transfer (through conduction) from the part of the blade without deposit to the part covered by ice could be crucial. In general, however, I feel that the phenomenon of helicopter blade icing is better described by empirical equations than by modelling on the basis of an unsatisfactory theory.
Ackley: In reference to the use of the shedding data from lower velocities, I should point out that we have not used the quantitative values but only the implied dependence as given by Carras and Macklin, I feel there is a need for more experimentation but am encouraged by the qualitative similarity between the “extended prediction" using Carras and Macklin’s results and the observed ice thickness from our experiments. There may not be the strong angular acceleration dependence for shedding that Dr List has stated but not proven. A similar reply may also apply for the use of the heat-transfer equation, i.e. there is reasonable agreement, here more quantitative, with the prediction of the heat-transfer equation and the transition from dry to wet growth. Therefore the heat-transfer equation we use may be more valid than Dr List would care to admit.
The wet and dry growth transition is not academic because it seems uniquely to define whether water is shed or not. I would concur that there is probably a temperature rise to 0°C as a droplet impinges, however, if the heat transfer is adequate we may assume that it is completely frozen without shedding. This leads to a linear dependence of ice thickness with velocity in the dry-growth regime and a non-linear dependence on velocity in the wet-growth regime. The transition also appears to be well defined by ice structure and is fairly predictable from the assumptions in the heat transfer causing a surface temperature of 0°C.
The dialectic between modelling and experiments is the guts of any scientific advance and is crucial to the understanding of the process so I am in complete disagreement with Dr List in his emphasis on empiricism rather than theory.