Book contents
- Frontmatter
- Contents
- Preface
- Preliminary note
- List of abbreviations
- Introduction
- 1 Cratylus' naturalism (383a–384c)
- 2 Hermogenes' conventionalism (384c–386e)
- 3 Naturalism defended (386e–390e)
- 4 Naturalism unfolded (390e–394e)
- 5 Naturalism illustrated: the etymologies of ‘secondary’ names (394e–421c)
- 6 Naturalism illustrated: the primary names (421c–427e)
- 7 Naturalism discussed (427e–433b)
- 8 Naturalism refuted and conventionalism defended (433b–439b)
- 9 Flux and forms (439b–440e)
- Appendix 1 The text of 437d10–438b8
- Appendix 2 Some interpolations and non-mechanical errors in W and δ
- References
- I General index
- II Index of ancient texts
- III Index of Greek expressions
- IV Index of words discussed in the Cratylus
7 - Naturalism discussed (427e–433b)
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 25 October 2011
- Frontmatter
- Contents
- Preface
- Preliminary note
- List of abbreviations
- Introduction
- 1 Cratylus' naturalism (383a–384c)
- 2 Hermogenes' conventionalism (384c–386e)
- 3 Naturalism defended (386e–390e)
- 4 Naturalism unfolded (390e–394e)
- 5 Naturalism illustrated: the etymologies of ‘secondary’ names (394e–421c)
- 6 Naturalism illustrated: the primary names (421c–427e)
- 7 Naturalism discussed (427e–433b)
- 8 Naturalism refuted and conventionalism defended (433b–439b)
- 9 Flux and forms (439b–440e)
- Appendix 1 The text of 437d10–438b8
- Appendix 2 Some interpolations and non-mechanical errors in W and δ
- References
- I General index
- II Index of ancient texts
- III Index of Greek expressions
- IV Index of words discussed in the Cratylus
Summary
INTRODUCTION (427E–429C)
Preliminary exchanges (427e–428e)
We are now going to hear Cratylus' first words since his laconic ‘if you like’ of 383a3, whereby he allowed Hermogenes to involve Socrates in the discussion. In a few lines he is to become Socrates' only interlocutor down to the end of the dialogue, while Hermogenes remains silent.
cr. But, Hermogenes, do you regard it as easy to learn and teach any subject that quickly, let alone such a weighty one, which seems to be of the utmost importance?
(427e5–7)A very cautious opening. Hermogenes patiently tries to overcome Cratylus' resistance:
he. By Zeus, I don't. But Hesiod's saying seems to me fine, that it is helpful ‘even if one should store little upon little’. So, if you're able to bring us even little progress, don't shirk the trouble, but be kind to Socrates here – you owe it to him – and myself.
(428a1–5)These are the last words we shall hear from him in the dialogue. Socrates adds a very diplomatic invitation, full of Attic courtesy:
so. Furthermore, Cratylus, I myself for my part wouldn't confidently maintain any of the things I've said [οὐδὲν ἂν ἰσχυρισαίμην ὧν εἴρηκα]; I just inquired together with Hermogenes following what seemed right to me. So, as far as this problem is concerned, don't be afraid and speak, if you've got something better to say: be assured that I'll accept it. And if you've got something finer than these things to say, I wouldn't be surprised. For you seem to me to have both thoroughly examined such matters by yourself and learnt them from others. […]
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- The Cratylus of PlatoA Commentary, pp. 317 - 382Publisher: Cambridge University PressPrint publication year: 2011