Critical to an explanation of glacier surges is better knowledge of the amount, location, and drainage characteristics of water at the ice–bed interface. Small-scale laboratory experiments may not accurately simulate surges unless water drainage is properly modeled. The water produced by melting at the surface is commonly orders of magnitude greater than that produced at the bed, so the behavior of surface melt water also needs to be considered. And the old problem remains as to why in some areas most glaciers surge, where in other areas none do so.
Discussion
S. M. Hodge: Did you say that the Black Rapids Glacier “pot-holes” are characteristic of the accumulation zones of surging glaciers?
M. F. Meier: Yes.
G. K. C. Clarke: I agree that the pot-hole terrains you mentioned are extremely curious features of glaciers in the quiescent phase. Another striking thing is the large water-filled crevasse field which often form during surges; these may simply be filled with surface melt, but on the other hand they could be telling us something interesting.
Meier: I am sure that they are. Even if the high water table is an effect, not a cause, it probably results in very high water pressures at the bed, facilitating fast sliding.
K. Philberth: Could you comment on the time period of cyclic surging glaciers and how it is related to the size of the glacier?
Meier: Observed time periods range from the order of 10 years to of the order of 100 years. There is only a very poor correlation, however, between size and period. Many relatively small glaciers have relativelyshort periods, but exceptions to this generalization are common.
G. De Q. Robin: Your estimates of basal water-pressure gradient were made in relation to present-day geometry of the glacier. The predictions of Reference Robin and WeertmanRobin and Weertman (1973) apply to glacier geometry immediately before surging, with a well-developed “trigger zone”. Will this not be quite different from your estimates?
Meier: Your comment is absolutely correct, but we have estimated what the generalized pressure gradient might be just before a surge for Variegated and Black Rapids Glaciers. The estimates are, of course, very uncertain, but they do not seem to support a zero or reversed pressure gradient.