I have heard the essence of the Turner & Salter article (Psychiatric Bulletin, January 2008, 32, ) before but repetition does not produce enlightenment. At root, it is an attack on a branch of medicine that the authors do not seem to approve of. That is odd: I cannot think of any other branch of medicine which attracts this kind of negativity.

As John O’Grady has explained in his reply (Psychiatric Bulletin, January 2008, 32, ), there are many reasons why forensic psychiatry has developed. Nevertheless, one omission from the debate so far, which is surprising in view of one of Turner's other strong interests, is history. It is easy to trace the development of forensic psychiatry from about 1814 as a response to a growing awareness of the social and psychiatric problems presented by many offenders with mental disorders. The growing specialty of psychiatry was expected to take on this important group of patients. From the earliest years of this period, until the present day, general psychiatrists have tried to resist this expectation. Personally, I think that is entirely reasonable, as such patients require special facilities and special skills. However, it is unreasonable to complain when others take up the challenge instead.

For many years there were very few who took an interest in this work and very few facilities for such patients. As pressure from general psychiatrists, prisons and mental hospitals (which gradually declined in number) increased, so did the demand for special skills. With that, overcrowding in the first forensic psychiatry hospitals, the special hospitals, also increased.

The natural professional response to this was for psychiatrists, with the unusual special interest in offenders with mental disorders, to get together to discuss matters, especially clinical matters, of mutual interest. A forensic psychiatry subcommittee of the Royal Medico-Psychological Association (the forerunner to the Royal College of Psychiatrists) was formed in 1963. This became a section of forensic psychiatry when the Royal College of Psychiatrists began in 1971, and eventually, in 1997, the Faculty of Forensic Psychiatry. The clinical meetings of this developing organisation have attracted an increasing number of College members. Any psychiatrist is welcome to attend the meetings and general psychiatrists, as Turner and Salter know well, are especially welcome. We even invite them to express their negative views in debate!

Perhaps there is a hidden agenda to all this. Speculation is usually unhelpful, so I will not indulge. Maybe I can, however, entice Trevor Turner to spell out more closely what ails him. Does he have the same allergy to other specialties, and if not, then why not? I think I can speak for the majority of members of the Forensic Psychiatry faculty when I say that they are always interested to learn new ways of working and to serve patients’ interests better.