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The Structure and Function of the Melian Dialogue
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 23 December 2013
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Thucydides' account of the events at Melos in 416–15 B.C. falls into two parts, the famous dialogue in which representatives of Melos and of Athens discuss the submission of Melos, and a series of notes about the siege of the city culminating in the account of its destruction. But as I shall try to show, the two sections form part of a single whole. The discussion between the negotiators centres on two topics. In the first half of the dialogue the speakers discuss the expediency of forcing Melos into the Athenian Empire, in the second they discuss the likelihood of the Melians resisting successfully. But since the Melians are offered no alternative to becoming subjects except complete destruction, and since they are clearly not ready to choose the safe but dishonouring alternative, even though they have no chance of defending their city successfully, the inevitable destruction of Melos casts its shadow over the whole of the negotiations.
Many of the arguments used in the discussion are equally relevant to the destruction and to the subjection of Melos. This is partly a result of the Athenian aim: to impress their island-subjects with their power. This they can achieve by forcing Melos to become a subject—but equally well by destroying it. On the level of expediency the Athenian argument would be equally applicable to either course, and the tactlessness of the Athenians suggests that they are not much concerned which of the two they will adopt. The Melians on the other hand appear to anticipate their own rejection of the ultimatum and to include the consequences of this inevitable rejection within the scope of their arguments. So a debate about the expediency of forcing an independent state to forgo its freedom is at the same time a debate about the expediency of destroying an independent city that refuses to become a subject.
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1 Of the very large literature I have found most illuminating, Herter, H., ‘Pylos und Melos’ in Rheinisches Museum xcvii (1954) 316–43.Google Scholar I ako owe thanks for suggestions and corrections to Professors V. Ehrenberg and A. Wasserstein.
2 v 84, 2–114 and ibid. 115.4; 116.2–4.
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13 By his comments on the proposed execution and on Cleon: iii 36.2 ibid. 4 ibid. 6 (of Cleon) He is not merely weighing his language to induce the reader to accept a prejudiced view of Cleon (cf. Woodhead, A. G., ‘Thucydides' portrait of Cleon’ in Mnemosyne Ser. iv, xiii [1960] 289–17CrossRefGoogle Scholar). He is indicating his personal view of a policy, while keeping to his chosen con vention of objective narrative. Similarly I would argue that the sustained contrast of Brasidas and Cleon is not merely a contrast of personality. Brasidas through his moderate treatment of cities allied with Athens is shown to have benefited his country by inducing the Athenian subjects to trust Sparta (see esp. iv 81). Cleon (and his successors) alienated the cities more than was necessary and thus made inevitable the revolts in Athens' hour of weakness.
14 An example of the futile sharpening of penalties deplored by Diodotus: iii 45.3. A wiser solution: Cythera iv 54.3; 57.4. That Thucydides was right to maintain that the Melians were independent combatants is argued by Eberhardt, W., ‘Der Melier-Dialog und die Inschriften ATL Ag und IG i2 297 +’ in Historia viii (1959) 284–314.Google Scholar
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16 Cf. my ‘Thucydides and the Sicilian Expedition’ due to appear in Historia xvii (1968).
17 Cf. vi 76.2 (Hermoerates). Brasidas not Cleon is the example to follow. Is it chance that Thucy dides lets the Melians recall Brasidas (v 110)?
18 Contempt (v 109; ibid. 111) leads to Sicilian ambition (vi 11.5).
19 v 115.1–3; ibid. 116.1. Like the Dialogue (see below note 20), these passages have a double significance. For the present, they show how foolish the Melians are to rely on Sparta. In the long term, they show that the Athenians are heading for war with Sparta—again the Cleon spirit (e.g. iv 21 ff.) Cf. Méautis, G., ‘Le dialogue des Athéniens et des Méliens’ in R.E.G. xlviii (1935) 253–78, esp. 275 ff.Google Scholar
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21 vii 18.2–4. Cf. Herter, note 1 above.
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33 vi 1.
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36 Examples in de Romilly, op. cit.; cf. also n. 16 above.
37 Cf. Cornford, op. cit., citing Dion. Hal., Thu. 37 ff.
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