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Thomas Manley and the Rate-of-Interest Debate, 1668–1673

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  10 January 2014

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Historians have seen the mid-1660s as a period of significant distress in many sectors of the English economy. With population pressure diminishing, agricultural prices moved away from the benefit of producers, and rent and land values stabilized. Indeed, landowners were futher burdened by the imposition of higher levels of taxation in the wake of debts generated by the Civil War and the Commonwealth. Moreover, English merchants complained that Dutch competition limited the expansion of their overseas commerce, while the Second Dutch War (1664–67) severely dislocated trade and incurred heavy public expenditure and even higher levels of taxation. The outbreak of plague in London, followed by the Great Fire, further interrupted trade at the commercial and transport nexus of the economy. Hence, war finance and the rebuilding of London put pressure on the stock of loanable funds in a period characterized by a generally low level of prices. Interest rates had fallen gradually with the increase in the availability of capital in the first half of the seventeenth century, yet this trend, according to Christopher Clay, “was unquestionably retarded by the extensive government borrowing associated with the succession of civil and foreign wars between 1642 and 1674.” Of course, in seventeenth-century England, a maximum rate of interest was set by statute. The medieval prohibition on usury was first broken in 1545, setting a ceiling of 10 percent per year.

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33 In the Brief Observations, Child is at his most bellicose in denoting the strict determinist relationship between the level of interest and the creation of wealth. In the Lords, his testimony (and that of his supporters) was more tempered, admitting, e.g., that “usury is only one of the causes of the depression.” See Thirsk and Cooper, eds., pp. 69–77; H.M.C., 8th Rep., pp. 133–34. Buckworth and Papillon were merchants. Blount was a “traveler” and an expert in foreign affairs. The London merchants Thomas Gold and James Houblon also spoke in favor of reduction. See Letwin, , Sir Josiah Child (n. 11 above), p. 14Google Scholar, n. 45; and Woodward, J. R., The Rulers of London (London, 1965)Google Scholar.

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35 Ibid., p. 72; H. M. C., 8th Rep., pp. 133–34. Clayton had expertise in this subject. He and his partner John Morris had developed a major innovation in banking by introducing the mortgage in fee, the success of which relied on Clayton's accurate knowledge of land assessment and value. For the operations of Clayton and Morris, see Melton, F. T., Sir Robert Clayton and the Origins of English Deposit Banking, 1658–1685 (Cambridge, 1986)Google Scholar.

36 Given that Culpeper's testimony before the Lords, on November 10, 1669, refers directly to Manley's text by name, it would appear that the work was published prior to (or during) the Lords' debates. See H.M.C., 8th Rep., pp. 133–34. In 1670, Culpeper extended and published his rebuttals to Manley in The Necessity of Abating Usury Reasserted (n. 10 above).

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38 Manley, published the Solicitor (London) in 1663Google Scholar, a book in his words “truly usefull for all sorts of persons who have any important Business in Law or Equity” (preface). Manley also added an appendix to, and published, the seventh edition of Wentworth's, ThomasThe Office and Duty of Executors (London, 1676)Google Scholar. See also Melton.

39 Accounting ledger, Guildford Muniment Room, July, Guildford, Surrey, Clayton MS 84/1/2 fol. 59r. Two successive ledgers kept from 1663 to 1669 are now missing, unfortunately, but other evidence connects the two men during the late 1660s, about the time of the debate on interest.

40 See the Appendix. The proposed second treatise appears never to have been published.

41 Clayton feared that, if the interest rate was lowered, clients could call in their mortgages to refinance at the lower value. See Melton, p. 178.

42 In addition to experience gained while in Clayton's employ, Manley also had knowledge of London property values, before and after the Great Fire, as he notes in Usury at Six per Cent examined (n. 10 above), p. 47Google Scholar. He had leased property in Sweethings Lane to tenants since at least 1657. See Jones, P. E., ed., The Fire Court (London, 1967), 1:8788Google Scholar. London property holdings are also noted in Manley's will, November 10, 1687; see Public Record Office (hereafter P.R.O), London, Prob. 11/404 fol. 70.

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46 See Letwin, Sir Josiah Child (n. 11 above); and Prichard (n. 27 above).

47 See the Appendix.

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49 See the Appendix. Child also appears to have lost fascination with the interestrate issue at about the same time. In 1670, he had written a retort to both Interest of Money Mistaken (n. 28 above) and Manley's Usury at Six per Cent examined, which was not published until incorporated into the preface of his A Discourse about Trade (London, 1690)Google Scholar. See Letwin, Origins of Scientific Economics (n. 12 above), app. 1. Other earlier anonymous works dealing with the interest rate issue include Several Objections against the Reducement of Interest Propounded in a Letter, with the Answer thereunto (London, 1671)Google Scholar; A Brief Survey of the Growth of Usury in England (London, 1673)Google Scholar; and The Case of Interest or, Usury (London, 1673)Google Scholar.

50 Manley to Williamson, November 25, 1691, P.R.O., State Papers (S.P.) 32/3 fol. 49.

51 13 Anne c.15, Statutes of the Realm. For the 1691/92 bill and the continuance of the controvesy between the ideas of Manley and Child, see the prefaces to SirChild's, JosiahA Discourse about Trade (London, 1690)Google Scholar and A New Discourse of Trade (London, 1693)Google Scholar; Horwitz, H., ed., The Parliamentary Diary of Narcissus Luttrell, 1691–1693 (Oxford, 1972), pp. 117, 130, and 150Google Scholar. For background to the pressure on interest rates in the 1690s, see Dickson, P. G. M., The Financial Revolution in England (London, 1967)Google Scholar; and Jones, D. W., War and Economy in the Age of William III and Marlborough (Oxford, 1988)Google Scholar.

52 See nn. 10 and 28 above, and the Appendix. The personalized nature of the Culpeper/Manley-published dialogue may also reveal an old acquaintance. Both were from Kent and were resident at the Middle Temple concurrently. See Prichard; and Hopwood, ed. (n. 37 above), p. 1128.

53 By the end of the century, this discourse was played out before a much wider public as well as political audience. See Keirn, T., “Economic Ideas and Legislation: The Regulation of English Textile Industries, 1689–1714,” in Reform and Regulation: The Response to Social and Economic Problems in England, 1689–1750, ed. Davison, L., Hitchcock, T., Keirn, T., and Shoemaker, R. (Macmillan, in press)Google Scholar.

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59 Culpeper, , A Discourse, p. 21Google Scholar. Indeed, this is no different from the view of his father, who noted: “it is the plenty of money within the Land that maketh money easier to be borrowed.” See Culpeper, Thomas Sr., A Tract against Usurie (n. 26 above), p. 13Google Scholar.

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61 H.M.C., 8th Rep. (n. 30 above), p. 133.

62 For example, Manley states: “how vast the difference is between the kindly workings of nature, and the violent acting of a Law.” See his Usury at Six per Cent examined (n. 10 above), p. 69.

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68 H. R. (n. 28 above), pp. 26–27; and see Interest of Money Mistaken (n. 28 above), pp. 10–11.

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70 This argument was attacked in a tract, attributed to Culpeper Junior, where it was noted: “If you look upon Usury with both your Eyes at once, and count, as well the real Widows and Orphans that now groan under it, and would find, that perhaps it makes three Holes for one it mends.” See [Culpeper, Thomas Jr.], Plain English in a Familiar Conference Betwixt Three Friends, Rusticus, Civis, and Veridicus, Concerning the Deadness of our Markets (London, 1673), p. 1Google Scholar.

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75 Thirsk and Cooper, eds. (n. 30 above), p. 75.

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81 Manley is difficult to tack down on this point. While he spends most of his time arguing in “defense of 6%,“ at other times he seems to advocate letting the interest rate float. Manley does agree with Culpeper in that he does “wish” for interest rates to be lower, if conditions were opportune for such a reduction. See Manley, , Usury at Six per Cent examined, pp. 40, 44Google Scholar.

82 Ibid., p. 55.

83 Ibid., p. 9. See also Manley, Thomas, A discourse Shewing That the Exportation of Woole is destructive to this Kingdom (London, 1677)Google Scholar.

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86 See the Appendix. The projected second treatise is concerned almost entirely with the effect of interest rates on trade.

87 Manley to Clayton, February 13, 1672/73, Fairfax Collection, Clayton MS 53.