Don Fernando did not dislike the arguments of the mutineers, nor was he deterred either by the grave embarrassments which might follow, nor by the loyalty which (he being a knight) should have bound him to protect Ursua, after the honours he had received from him, and the consideration with which he had always been treated by him. He believed all that had been told him by the mutineers, and, swelled up by the wind of ambition, he gave them thanks for what they had offered him, and assented to all their projects; so that it appeared to the messengers that they now had all that was necessary, in order to put their designs into execution. The mutineers, and Don Fernando among them, as their chief, conferred together, and began to offer various opinions (children of tyranny and heresy) respecting the mode of proceeding; to some it seemed best to leave Pedro de Ursua, with some of his friends in that place (as had been suggested to Don Fernando) and, taking all the boats and canoes, to return up the river to Peru: others, among whom were Don Fernando, said that they would only do that which had been originally proposed, namely, return to Peru by descending the river, with the whole expedition, leaving Ursua behind: but there was a third party, among whom were those two good souls, Lope de Aguirre and Lorenzo Salduendo, who declared that all they had heard was unwise, but that the only plan was to kill Pedro de Ursua and, with all the people, return to Peru, and make Don Fernando the lord of the country.